Incels are trying to leave 'toxic' online spaces but don’t know how to escape

Involuntarily celibate men who vent online about their frustrations with women for denying them sex are now trying to leave such ‘toxic’ communities.

Dubbed ‘incels’, they are often ridiculed and memed for their participation in what are regarded as misogynist forums — some of which have more than 100,000 followers.

Members consider the platforms a ‘haven’. But many are desperately trying to wean themselves off the ‘manosphere’ – online male communities such as on Reddit and 4chan.

Within them, contributors are mocked and bullied in the midst of support, leaving them conflicted as to whether they should stay.

Anton*, who has been a part of the community for some time, tells us: ‘This place was a heaven for me in the first few months, but then it slowly became an inescapable hell’.

He started going into these forums because he felt undesirable as a short black man (height is an issue which comes up time and again among incel forums).

According to incels, at the top of society are Chads and Staceys – conventionally attractive men and women. Then you have incels belonging to subgroups such as ‘ricecells’ (east Asian incels), ‘currycells’ (Indian) and black incels, who sit at the bottom of the hierarchy.

Members constantly remind themselves and each other that they are unworthy of female attention because ‘women just prefer Chads’, meaning they’re all in the same boat.

Anton tells he is tired of the pseudo camaraderie which he feels doesn’t translate to real life.

He says: ‘I’m trying to wean myself off of inceldom communities but it’s so hard when you’ve basically conditioned yourself to think that you’re a part of a community, even when over half of that community is basically an alt-right haven that would try to shoot you in the event of a mass shooting.’

Since chatting to us, Anton has deleted his Reddit profile and left an incel subreddit.

He explained that his departure was because of the constant self-deprecation present: ‘It’s a pretty toxic community, like all online communities, if you stay in long enough.

Like others, Anton entered men’s rights spaces because he hadn’t been successful with women.

Incels generally foster hateful views on those who deny them sex. The community provides these men with easy explanations of why they are being rejected, positioning women as the enemy to uphold a ‘we’re all in this together’ attitude.

Incel communities are a place where men who are rejected finally feel like they belong.

One 23-year-old man tells ‘Honestly, this group saved me from the brink of insanity. As the only virgin, relationshipless guy I know in real life I began to feel completely alienated.

‘Then I found a group which I could relate to – funny memes, actual scientific research into what matters in sexual attraction and friendly support when someone gets rejected or treated poorly by a girl or group of girls.

‘However, I do see the reason that some incels would want to or feel like they have to leave. [Some things] incels do or say is wrong or radical or even untrue.’

Another self-identifying incel tells us: ‘It gives us a place and identity to speak with other like-minded people and share experiences, ideas, possible solutions.

‘As an incel, there tend to be very few people around you that relate. Everyone I know has been in many relationships.

‘It feels extremely lonely, and being part of the community makes me feel not alone in my struggles.’

Josh, also in his 20s, tells us: ‘There are no pros to being incel. Like there are no pros to having DNA destined for cancer.’

And Rob says: ‘The community can be too much — too abusive, too self-deprecating. Just too much.’

When incel groups cause more harm than healing, it can be difficult for these men to simply log out and go about their lives. Many feel that inceldom has been bestowed upon them and is an inescapable part of who they are.

Dev says: ‘Nobody wants to be an incel, it’s not like we can choose.’

Some of these men can’t help look past the ‘involuntary’ aspect of being an incel, believing that at their very core, they are incels and there is no room for mobility.

The space is marred with conflicting sentiments: some of it is masochistic — poking fun at themselves and their own shortcomings — and the other aspect is vilifying conventionally attractive people, so-called ‘Chads’ and ‘Staceys’.

Posts floating around one of the incel subreddit reads: ‘Nothing will ever change, you’ll be here, alone in your room and no one will ever care for you or your struggles because you are worthless.’

A major obstacle to men getting off these sites is that those who embrace the concept of incels will sometimes sabotage their own chances with women, all while other incels egg them on.

One post reads: ‘A girl from a 12th-grade school project texted me three years later.

‘This is literally the first time ANY girl has sent me a text for personal issues and definitely the first time a girl has at least cared about me a bit. Maybe she’s faking it though.’

This sentiment is reflected in many other posts, with women’s motives for showing interest often met with suspicion and questioned by other members of the group.

It makes sense that these spaces that once felt like home begin to feel like prisons, trapping incels in a perpetual cycle of rejection, self-loathing, and hatred for those outside the community.

But is there a way out?

Research Fellow from the Centre on Radicalisation and Terrorism Dr Rakib Ehsan says hateful incels who turn to the manosphere can be de-radicalised much in the same way as religious extremists.

He tells us: ‘The dark incel subculture on the web tells a general story of young men who are socially isolated and consumed by an overwhelming feeling of rejection — particularly in a romantic sense.

‘A starting point would be providing such young men with a greater sense of “real-life” belonging and encouraging them to adopt a more optimistic and hopeful mindset which is based on personal responsibility and economic self-sufficiency.

‘And, in a way, that actually makes them more “marketable” in a dating sense.

‘Physical exercise can help positive wellbeing but can also have a positive impact on appearance self-perceptions.’

This sentiment chimes with the views of psychologist and author Jonathan Hoban, who thinks help needs to come from government level in the form of funding arts to help wean men off the manosphere and ‘channel’ their ‘frustrations’ more constructively.

He says: ‘They feel lost, angry and unwanted by society, and overall let down. Millions of pounds that were used to fund youth clubs, mentorships, schemes and positive environments/communities have pretty much all gone.

‘It was here that we used to be able to capture, train and channel in a positive way any frustrations, anger and difficult emotions into something worthwhile and positive like sport, cooking, music etc.’

Former incels say they managed to wean themselves off the groups by involving themselves in activities ranging from socialising in real life to talking it out.

Just as the internet is home to hateful groups promoting abuse, there are helpful sites encouraging followers to seek help.

Other suggestions include going to a therapist, starting a new hobby and arranging to meet up with those in a similar position.

A good start might be to simply press the ‘leave’ button.

*Names have been changed.

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How Brad Pitt Is Trying to Be the Best Dad Possible

Brad Pitt is on top of the world right now.

Sure, he’s one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. He’s enjoying rave reviews, and even a little Oscar buzz, for his role in Quentin Tarantino’s new film Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood. 

Pitt stars alongside Leonardo DiCaprio as a stuntman loyal to a big Hollywood actor at the end of their careers. It’s Pitt’s first movie in two years.

What could be better than that? The divorced father of six has his kids with him for the summer and he couldn’t be happier.

The end of Brangelina

When news of Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s infamous breakup made the news back in 2016, it left fans shook all over the world. And at first, the split wasn’t an amicable one. 

There were rumors flying about Pitt and his co-star Marion Cotillard during the filming of Allied. There was that incident on the family’s flight via private jet from France that year.

Shortly after, the FBI closed its investigation without filing charges and the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services absolved him of any abuse allegations.

Not long after that, Jolie filed for divorce seeking sole physical custody of the couple’s six children. Pitt responded by filing for joint custody.

Pitt told GQ in a 2017 interview that the situation he found himself in was “self-inflicted.” He freely admitted to drinking too often and not being the father to his kids he wanted to be. “It’s hit me smack in the face with our divorce: I gotta be more for them. I have to show them. And I haven’t been great at it.”

The couple’s divorce became official this April.

The return of Dad Pitt

After the split, the actor found himself without a wife, separated from his children, and trying to put his life back together. Since then, he’s continuously fought for more time with his children. 

Since then, according to a source for PEOPLE, the now 55-year-old Oscar winner has “worked very hard on himself to be a better, healthier person and to be the best dad possible… These were always his priorities. That his career is going well is a happy bonus that he is thrilled about.”

Pitt’s lifestyle changes revolved around a steady workout regimen and improving his diet. The results are astounding and easy to see in his shirtless time in Once Upon a Time. The actor’s healthy, attractive physique calls to mind his appearance in films like Fight Club (1999) and Troy (2004).

His self-improvement goals and efforts to maintain a civil relationship with Jolie for the benefit of their children finally began to pay off. In 2018, the former couple reached a temporary agreement that granted more time to Pitt with his children. Does the agreement put Pitt in a better position to be granted 50/50 custody with Jolie? Perhaps.

In 2019, things got even better for Pitt. Angelina Jolie would be spending the summer filming Those Who Wish Me Dead in New Mexico. According to the Sun, she reached out to Pitt to see if he wanted to look after the children for the summer.

The Sun further reported that “Brad is over the moon. He invited his parents to stay with them at his mansion in Los Angeles so they can have some proper family time together.”

A loving father

Since the divorce, Pitt hasn’t been able to spend a lot of time with his children. He hasn’t been photographed with them in that time. He doesn’t wish to share the private time he gets with them with anyone else.

By all accounts, Pitt is a loving father who is enjoying a precious summer with Maddox, Pax, Zahara, Shiloh, Knox, and Vivienne.

Very soon, his oldest child Maddox, 18, will be heading to South Korea for college to study biochemistry.

Recently, he enjoyed celebrating Shiloh’s 13th birthday. An industry insider told PEOPLE, “Despite having help, Brad is a hands-on dad. He comes from a close family, and he has continued to be a parent who is interested in the lives of his children.”

PEOPLE’s source says that Pitt “really found his happiness again. He is back and very excited about life. And it’s well-deserved.”

Aside from the happy progress in his personal life, Pitt has the release of the spectacular sci-fi film Ad Astra to look forward to in September. The announcement of World War Z 2, the long-awaited sequel to his thrilling apocalyptic zombie horror film World War Z (2013) is likely to thrill his fans as well.

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